Curse

razorbladesmiles · Jul 17, 2006, 01:34 PM // 13:34

Hey think of it tho, a picket line...people yelling the word 'scab' at the non-strikers... could have potential to be great fun...maybe the non-strikers could get sent to a pvp game and get stoned by angry mobs...

led-zep · Jul 17, 2006, 01:43 PM // 13:43

droks run is still possible, tried it and did it.
doesnt mean this isnt a stupid nerf though, not all of us want to be invincible but being less of a burden to monks is nice.and yes my warrior does take steps to not rely on a monk but why the hell should i expect him to spend all his energy on me when i use my warrior.
being a person that uses all classes i can see why this isnt a good update but maybe those who hate warriors because they havent played one, get beaten by them in pvp or just cant play one effectively should keep their trolling to themselves

Loki Seiguro · Jul 17, 2006, 01:57 PM // 13:57

im defintly up for this and just like on every post i had writen i say no one buys guild wars 3...wont happen but w/e

Lando Griffen · Jul 17, 2006, 02:34 PM // 14:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spura

Warrior with shield can easily get over 100 AL vs elemental. So how does elemental mod on weapon bypass all his armor? Get a clue kid.

I didn't realize this before I really started pvp'ing, so I'll give you that much credit. Maybe ask about it first next time. Most warriors will be using gladiator's armor (80 AL, +20 AL vs physical, i.e. not the kind of damage that comes from an elemental mod). Of course it doesn't just start bypassing armor, it only bypasses armor bonuses vs physical damage.

Cyan The Archer · Jul 17, 2006, 03:04 PM // 15:04

To whoever said he had to kick all warriors joining his group: I really laughed

Gotta remember that

Arknow · Jul 17, 2006, 03:24 PM // 15:24

while some warning would have been nice, all you people whineing about a FIX that you KNEW was wrong but decided to exploit it anyways, thats what sploiters get, a swift boot to the head(and 1 more for jenny and the wimp harhar)

it is not ANet's problem to fix YOUR mistake..... ie giveing you new armor when you knew damn well someday what you bought would be worthless

just MAYBE this will slow wammos down from suicidal idjots to group respecting party members

maybe you will know realize your precious adrenaline isnt as important as the healers nrg

Silent Kitty · Jul 17, 2006, 03:49 PM // 15:49

Sorry people, Anet couldn't have warned us for this. If they did, the towns would be full of spammer who wanted to sell their stuff before the prices go down. Releaving a whole lot of unsuspecting newbies of their hard earned money. They can never warn us for these kind of changes.

TheMosesPHD · Jul 17, 2006, 04:04 PM // 16:04

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Originally Posted by Arknow

while some warning would have been nice, all you people whineing about a FIX that you KNEW was wrong but decided to exploit it anyways, thats what sploiters get, a swift boot to the head(and 1 more for jenny and the wimp harhar)

it is not ANet's problem to fix YOUR mistake..... ie giveing you new armor when you knew damn well someday what you bought would be worthless

just MAYBE this will slow wammos down from suicidal idjots to group respecting party members

maybe you will know realize your precious adrenaline isnt as important as the healers nrg

I never thought of the boots as an exploit...just thought it was something they didn't think through completely. It is a little extreme for ppl to whine about getting new armor; I can understand you might be a lil' pissed if you just bought new armor, but they're just boots eh? What else you gonna get? 90 AL on your boots for flame trap? +1 nrg? It doesn't seem to make much of a difference to me.
The entire shield/armor change as a whole doesn't seem like a big deal. People rarely touch warriors in PvP anyway, though now the reduced armor might make it easier for hapless noobs to beat IWAY

, and in PvE dmg dealt to a warrior is rather silly if you're playing right, and like the quoted poster said, it can really only help the tactical lacking of the "wammo" stereotypes out there.

Ecomancer · Jul 17, 2006, 04:10 PM // 16:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arknow

while some warning would have been nice, all you people whineing about a FIX that you KNEW was wrong but decided to exploit it anyways, thats what sploiters get, a swift boot to the head(and 1 more for jenny and the wimp harhar)

it is not ANet's problem to fix YOUR mistake..... ie giveing you new armor when you knew damn well someday what you bought would be worthless

just MAYBE this will slow wammos down from suicidal idjots to group respecting party members

maybe you will know realize your precious adrenaline isnt as important as the healers nrg

Why do people keep insisting that it was a bug to be exploited when even ANET do not claim it to be a bug. Please, use a dictionary to look up the words "updated" and "fixed" before you complain about people whining, I don't see anyone whining here except those who are practically in love with ANET and Guild Wars and everything is jolly good and don't want to hear otherwise.

http://www.guildwars.com/support/gameupdates/
"Updated Warrior Ascalon and Knight's armor sets so that the damage reduction applies only when the corresponding location of the body is struck. The damage reduction applies only to physical damage, and the amount of reduced damage was increased from 2 to 3."

Loviatar · Jul 17, 2006, 04:11 PM // 16:11

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Originally Posted by Tien ak

My advice is from now on lets keep armor bland instead of mixing them to create a armor that suits a paticular build, and if you do make sure its 1.5k armor to save money.

but personaly I think this is a poor excuse of customer care some of us have doughts that Arena net care I wasn't one of them now however...I am bit.

no that was taking one piece of armor to exploit a bug and when they had time for minor things instead of major things they fixed it.

the whineing is getting pathetic as most of it is about gold not performance which people are finding out does not affect them that much when they do Drok or whatever.

take your own advice and get a 1.5k set of booties and get on with your life

AND REMEMBER YOU CAN STILL WEAR THE AWSOME LEET BOOTIES IN TOWN TO SHOW OFF

Cash · Jul 17, 2006, 04:16 PM // 16:16

oh, how could i have been so wrong?!? such a simple solution here- all us warriors have to do now is to just to always be W/Me and wear sentinals armor all the time (hey, that 13 str requirement isnt THAT limiting is it?), keep up elemental resistance (another few points into inspiration), watch yourself (hmm, some points into tactics now i guess), and dolyak sig (at least it reqs str ....). yay! this just about gets us back to being as effective as we were. DIVERSITY?!?! who needs that? i mean after all we're all mindless weapon swingers anyway right? ...although now we can only fit about 10 points into a weapon skill. omg, you mean i cant run MENDING now? next thing you know, youll all be asking me to carry a book around at all times ...oh wait ... /end sarcastic rant over all the "solutions"

seriously guys, i like my sentinals set but its not always an option. 13 strength is a serious price to pay for the armor bonus, especially considering the hands-down best warrior heal requires tactics. wearing sentinals severely limits the way a warrior can actually use a secondary.

some corrections:

whoever said assassins should be on the front line as much as warriors ....wow, just wow- i dont even think i should touch that one.

whoever said this was just a buff for eles: uh, no. EVERY class can now beat a warrior easier than they could before. thats not a "buff"- thats a "nerf." previously a mesmer, necro, or ele could easily shutdown a warrior, but whats funny is now they can wand him/her to death while doing it.

warriors can still easily get over 100AL against ele dmg. this statement is true- with sentinals, plus shield, plus +7 warding you get 123 vs all. yes its higher than other classes but remember this: higher ARMOR gives diminishing returns. it was damage reduction (in our runes and shields) that REALLY set aside warriors as the class that could soak up damage the best. you know what the fact that warriors still have the highest AL means? squat, nada, and crap. without our DR, we're still gonna take almost as much damage as other classes.

Tien ak · Jul 17, 2006, 04:19 PM // 16:19

Ok this one is yet anouther neggative one...

Hello Tien,

Thank you for contacting Guild Wars Customer Support. I'm afraid that we're unable to provide compensation - either in-game or out - in situations such as this. We apologise for any frustration or inconvenience that this may cause. Please bear in mind that individual items / skills may be subject to change without notice, if it becomes clear or the developers feel that the items / skills are unbalanced. This is true regardless of whether an item / skill is too weak or too powerful. For example, a number of other items and skills were improved in the same patch that the change was made to the armour piece you've mentioned.

A full list of these patch notes can be found at http://eu.guildwars.com/support/arti..._13_july_2006/ , if you'd like to refer back to them.

We understand that changes such as this can be frustrating, particularly if a large amount of in-game currency has been spent on an item, but such changes are sometimes necessary to maintain game balance.

Please feel free to contact us again if you have any other questions or concerns.

Kind regards,
Senior GM Max

NCsoft Europe

Guild Wars Customer Support
http://eu.guildwars.com

I did reply to this just asking why they can't, they can change my armor with patches so surely they should be able to switch stats.

And to Arknow when a bug has been in the game for a year and everyones using this "bug" maybe people who began their first warrior thought that was the best armor that was a good all rounder. the thing that Arena net took a year to fix this is just weired.

overall I can't say im impressed with whats happened not only have I wasted 200k but my fav armor has been ripped to shreads by warrior hate/discremenation. And what I gotta say to them is it wasn't a proberlm before the only proberlem was either your team or your playing style...anyway next class set W/Me back to square one again but with +1 energy

Edit: come to think about it why not go on strike about all this "boo hoo wammo's lol" Monks got treated like shit I think maybe we should to. Tho what are the chances of anyone staying by their word.

Shendaar · Jul 17, 2006, 04:20 PM // 16:20

If you need sentinel + Watch Yourself + Dolyak + Elemental Resistance + Def weapon mods to keep yourself alive you are doing something wrong plain and simple.

leprekan · Jul 17, 2006, 04:39 PM // 16:39

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Originally Posted by Cyan The Archer

To whoever said he had to kick all warriors joining his group: I really laughed

Gotta remember that

I believe you stated in another thread that you were taking a break from GW. If that is the case why are you haunting this forum? Read Tien's response from Anet ... this is where we (the people actually playing the game) are expected to come to relay information to the developers. I am not trying to single just you out for there are others doing the same thing as you. I am asking those that are not affected by this nerf to please allow those that are a chance to list their complaints with Anet through the only means we are given. Perhaps the mods could step up and help on this? Forums are often populated by bored people that like to debate. A debate is not what the OP was looking for .. he was trying to get a message to Anet. Half the replies in this thread are the typical ones you find in EVERY thread ... someone just fluffing their post count.

Fact. Absorption runes have been nerfed.

Debate people ... not looking for debates on work arounds or how a warrior can kite or use his secondary class.

Warriors are NOT ranged characters ... the absorption (damage reduction) was needed to help them do their job more effectively. OMG they don't have a -75 health attached to them ... other classes do NOT have to stand next to their opponent to operate (before the assassins scream we do talk to Anet ... your class is a failure by design). With 2 pips of energy MOST warriors are adrenaline based .. IE we have to be able to survive long enough to use the High damage skills. Enter Aegis, blind, blurred vision, sympathetic visage ETC ... the 8-10 strikes of adrenaline might take you 15 or more swings to build.

Fact. Shields were nerfed.

Damage reduction on the shields was UNIVERSAL from the start of GW. Presently even coral damage in the Jade sea is NOT viewed as physical damage by the shields now. The shields with +10 against (insert favorite elemental damage) have always been around as an option. The lower level of DR with the -2 universal was a trade off for covering all elemental damage. As if we have room to carry 4 or 5 shields with us at all times ... the -2 universal was always the logical choice. Given the reluctance of Anet to provide additional USEABLE storage the specific elemental DR shields are not really an option.

Fact. Knights boots were nerfed.

This is a hazy issue given the fact they have been an option for 14 months. What is the point of mixing and matching armor sets if you are not trying to exploit the benefits of one type over another? Anet didn't nerf them because they were overpowered. If they had a reason my guess would be it is their desire to remove gold from the economy. What better way than getting 1 million plus people to buy new armor.

Anet ... roll back the shield and absorption nerf.

Sniper22 · Jul 17, 2006, 04:50 PM // 16:50

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Originally Posted by max gladius

*****READ ENTIRE POSTING HERE, FIRST BEFORE POSTING!!! TIRED OF PEOPLE ARGUING SAME THING DOWN AGAIN AND AGAIN.... OUR POINT IS SIMPLE!!!!*****

I am trying to organize a warrior strike, they nerfed all out awsome shields that were -2 dmg and made them -2 dmg against physical dmg, of which all our armor is bassed off of!!! all dmg reduction, shields, knights armor, absorbsion runes all are just against physical dmg!!!!

Congratulations, you got your nerf, now deal with it like the eles and necros. It's not that big of a deal. Minion masters we're greatly reduced by the nerf and same with the dot spells and hexes (mark of pain

). But now its just stupid your complaining about -2 or so dmg everytime your hit. You guys already have so much armor, so quit crying and get over it.

sixdartbart · Jul 17, 2006, 04:54 PM // 16:54

I can't believe there is this much crying coming from people playing a Warrior class

I guess is was bound to happen as people always seem to start complaining only when something effects them directly but if your first instinct when something happens to you that you don't like is to bitch and moan you should really rethink being a "Warrior"

There are a couple of valid points made by the OP but a strike???
Try and remember how pathetic you all thought the monks were when they had that temper tantrum and what really happened?
The game moved on - the crappy monks weren't in your pugs for a few days as they were all in THK crying and everyone remembers them as the spoiled children that they acted like.

here are a few tips
#1 Warriors should never dance
#2 Warriors should never cry
#3 Warriors should never be pink
#4 Be nice to the monks you're gonna need em a little more than before

Peace guys and try to act more like Warriors than Whiners

milias · Jul 17, 2006, 05:14 PM // 17:14

Heh, when I first read this, I thought it was going to be like the THK monk-strike

Not sure if this is going to work, though, as there're probably way too many warriors and ANet will almost never go back on their decisions, regardless of how many complaints they get.

Lando Griffen · Jul 17, 2006, 05:15 PM // 17:15

Now you're going to have to throw on mending to negate the 6 damage more per second you might be taking

I knew it was still the best non-elite in the game. (seriously, don't start a mending argument, I know it's good for soloing).

/strike but not because of the damage reduction being physical now. Just because I want to see them make mending an elite.

Fist_of_God · Jul 17, 2006, 05:36 PM // 17:36

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Originally Posted by Lando Griffen

Now you're going to have to throw on mending to negate the 6 damage more per second you might be taking

I knew it was still the best non-elite in the game. (seriously, don't start a mending argument, I know it's good for soloing).

/strike but not because of the damage reduction being physical now. Just because I want to see them make mending an elite.

Woot!! Mending making a comeback!!...FTW!!!

I love Anet <3

razorbladesmiles · Jul 17, 2006, 05:39 PM // 17:39

I am always nice to monks - I'm very keen to say thanks when a job has been well done, but lately I have to say Necros have been impressing the crap out of me...tho yesterday I had the chance to meet an amazing Rit that has inspired me to give it a go...

And as with ALL professions there are good and bad players. A monk doesn't mean they are a good player just like all wammos are not self centered aggro causing rushers....

well ok 'most'

And I like dancing, I like Pink, but only musically, and I usually cry when I watch Thelma and Louise...

Therefore I can't be a proper warrior...hmm....going to shoot myself now...